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TL Sway Bar Upgrade: Install and Thoughts

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Hey all, I got all the parts for the TL sway bar upgrade and did it earlier today. It went fairly smooth considering Wisconsin winter rust on these little nuts and bolts. (tools and part numbers at the end)
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On the top is my old sway bar and the bottom is the one that comes on a 2009-14 Acura TL-SHAWD
The stock Crosstour rear sway bar is 15mm wide and the TL's is 20mm as well as being more straight.

To remove the sway bar you have to remove the end links that attach to a bracket that comes off of the knuckle.
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As well as two other brackets that hold the sway bar with one bushing each. On each side, a bolt runs through to the welded nut from on the top of the rear subframe. These bolts are 12mm and they have a lock washer on the top.
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In an ideal world without corrosion, these sway bar end link nuts should come out when you put a 5mm Allen into the bolt end and turn the nut with a 14mm. I immediately knew that wouldn't work as the 5mm didn't fit in it and a 4.5mm was too loose. So I busted out the vise grips and held the back side of the link and loosened it with a ratcheting box end wrench and an m18 impact wrench. The one on the driver's side was a little worse, so I ended up having to cut off the little boot and grab the entire joint to hold it as I took it off with the impact, the penetrant I sprayed on it was steaming off by the time it came out.
(If you are replacing the end links you don't have to worry about removing the nut that attaches to the sway bar itself.)
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Once you remove the end links and the bushing brackets are out the sway bar is loose. Route it out from either side of the car, since its a long bar that isn't flexible you have to fenagle it to come out. If I was able to do so, anyone else can too. I got it parallel with the car and out from between the frame and the exhaust, I think I also went into the spare tire area a little bit so that wiggle room helped.

After you remove the bar you can compare it with the thicker TL bar, see first pic again, and now you can do the reverse of removal. Once the sway bar is in place above the lower control arms on both sides you can attach the bushings to the bar and loosely bolt the bracket in. The bushings themselves are directional and have an arrow pointing to where the front should be. Now that the bar is mostly in its position you can attach the end links to the new bar, they are directional so you can't mix them up. When everything is loosely bolted in, tighten down the bushing brackets and then the end links on the bar side and then the knuckle side (I used good-and-tight as a torque spec here). When the wheels are bolted back on and torqued you can set the car down and roll it back and forth to set the joints and bushings in their place, check to see that the nuts and bolts are all tight at this point and then you're done and should have something that looks like this if you used all new parts.
(note the rightfully upside-down "20.0" on the bushing)
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After going for a drive the change of feeling while cornering at speed is night and day, this feels so much better and will really show you how sloppy it felt before. It also shows you that stiffening up the rear gives away how bad the front is, and when I inspected everything while I had my engine out everything was solid even at 116k miles. Still makes me want an upgraded front sway bar, but that looks a little more involved, most likely have to drop the subframe for it or sneak it out by magical ways.

Now for the list of stuff.

2010-15 Honda Crosstour Parts:
Left Side End Link - 52325-TP6-A01
Right Side End Link - 52320-TP6-A01
Bushing Bracket x2 - 52308-TA0-A00
Bracket Bolt x4 - 93402-08020-08
Link to Knuckle Nut x2 - 90002-S10-000
Link to Bar Nut x2 - 90212-SA5-003


2009-14 Acura TL Parts:
Sway Bar - 52300-TK5-A02
20mm Bushings x2 - 52306-TK5-A01


You can get all of the parts from one Acura parts place but the only thing to look out for is the "link to knuckle nut", on the parts page for a 2009-14 TL, they use the same nut as the "link to bar nut", so if you do use an Acura distributor just get 4 of the 90212-SA5-003 nuts.

Tools:
Jack
Jack Stands (I couldn't find mine but I trust my Jack)
19mm, for lug nuts
14mm for end links
12mm for bushing brackets
5mm Allen for end links (In an ideal world)
A variety of Vise Grips (For when the Allen hole strips out)
A knife (If you need to take desperate measures)
Impact Wrench
Electric Ratchet
3/8" ratchet
Torque Wrench (for the wheels, or don't, the impact is fine)


Electric tools aren't required but they make it go a lot faster, you can use the tool in your trunk if you don't have anything else for the lug nuts.
You can use an impact with extensions or the box end of a wrench on the end links but that's very tiring.

On the bushing brackets I used an electric ratchet with a deep socket, you can get them out with a regular ratchet and a deep socket or a shallow with an extension, a wrench might be hard to get in there.

If you look closely at the end link in that last picture you might be able to tell that it isn't a Honda nut, that's cause I didn't look close enough at the part pictures and just expected the links to come with nuts, since when would Honda be generous. I got a 4 pack of M10x1.25 flange nuts from O'Reilly's and they worked great.

Some more pictures:
A cool picture I found of the entire frame of a Crosstour, let me know if I should post the full ones, here I color coded the sway bar, brackets, and end links.
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A zoomed out area of the sway bar from the passenger side, includes the bar itself, bushing bracket, and end link
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The stock bushings, you can see the "FR <--" mark along with with the "15.0" mark (the bracket and bushings are separate pieces)
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I'm thinking we would see little to no improvement by using the TLs other suspension parts, but then again I haven't seen anyone on here too obsessed with swapping honda parts with other honda parts.
All the info on the net about what you can do to upgrade a car is very heavily skewed toward "PERFORMANCE! Yeah!" That makes sense, I guess since an obsession with cars so often stems from an underlying obsession with "power". That same slant carries over into the aftermarket. Retailers and manufacturers target customers with either "discount" or "performance". But nothing (or at least relatively little) offered for "more luxurious ride".

I would think there should be a market for products satisfying a luxury vs performance balance, where spending more $€ means buying improved tech to shrink the size of the trade-offs made between choosing a comfort-oriented upgrade or a speed-oriented upgrade. But alas, that doesn't seem to be.

This balancing act is largely what car makers do when designing cars. Luxury cars are more expensive, so they can spend more money closing the trade-off gap between comfort and perf. Even in the lower end though, they want to make a car as luxurious and comfortable as the price point allows while still being "exciting to drive".

Yet (unless I'm completely missing something with my Google-fu) both the aftermarket and publishers seem to interpret "balance and trade-offs" as meaning "either upgrade for performance or stay with stock for comfort". So far, I have not seen any discussion of upgrading for the purpose of reducing trade-offs, nor any suppliers that describe their parts in this way.

Seeing your tutorial, that chose to use Acura parts for an upgrade, got me thinking about how Honda is thinking this way. So maybe looking toward Acura OEM parts could be a good way to find parts that were specifically designed around the (obviously unattainable) goal of improving perf and comfort at the same time, but maybe with a larger design-budget and higher price tag than would have been available for the equivalent Accord parts.

I have no idea whether the strut assembly, in particular, got any such treatment. Could be essentially the same part just tuned to support a different platform and/or tuned to a different perf/luxury balance. And even if it is actually "a better strut" as I might hope, that doesn't necessarily mean it will perform better and/or feel better in the Crosstour. But I think I've probably rambled on enough by now to make it clear why it still sounds enticing to me.
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I don't think anyone did it for $60 but about $150 probably. Like I said the OEM parts are over priced now which is why it cost you $300, it's like $180 to get a 21 mm aftermarket bar which will perfectly replace the OEM 20 mm bar. If you want to go even harder you can get the 25 mm bar for like $280. I still can't decide which one I should get.
Manual swap your coupe and trick it out, leave the crosstour for mostly stock.
All the info on the net about what you can do to upgrade a car is very heavily skewed toward "PERFORMANCE! Yeah!" That makes sense, I guess since an obsession with cars so often stems from an underlying obsession with "power". That same slant carries over into the aftermarket. Retailers and manufacturers target customers with either "discount" or "performance". But nothing (or at least relatively little) offered for "more luxurious ride".
I know Bilstein makes good stuff, M539 Restorations on youtube uses them exclusively and he is a very OEM oriented guy. The only thing is finding something from anyone that fits on our cars, or even the regular accord or TL, 8th gen wasn't very popular for mods as much as the other generations or even in general with honda's own lineup.
Manual swap your coupe and trick it out, leave the crosstour for mostly stock.
If I wanted a manual coupe I'd sell mine and buy one, it's not worth all that work to swap it. My only complaint about it is the unpractical 2 doors. The Crosstour while having a way smoother ride, still handles very well, but it can't hurt to make it handle even better as long as I'm not sacrificing ride quality or j35 bulletproof reliability. Not to sure what I want to do with the accord yet.
I know Bilstein makes good stuff, M539 Restorations on youtube uses them exclusively and he is a very OEM oriented guy. The only thing is finding something from anyone that fits on our cars, or even the regular accord or TL, 8th gen wasn't very popular for mods as much as the other generations or even in general with honda's own lineup.
Everyone runs to civics. The people who want significantly more power in a bigger and way nicer vehicle, like us, go for the accords. And for the people who want luxury, we go for crosstours.
Manual swap your coupe and trick it out, leave the crosstour for mostly stock.
My black Crosstour will look great blacked out with black wheels. Bags are expensive, so I'm thinking maybe a more rugged tire for now. Not something that sticks out of the fenders though, I've seen people do it to crosstours and it doesn't look great. Just not sure if these will produce a lot of noise.
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Is this specifically for the AWD Crosstours, or can it also be used with the FWD cars as well???
Is this specifically for the AWD Crosstours, or can it also be used with the FWD cars as well???
They both have sway bars, you can upgrade the sway bar on both.
They both have sway bars, you can upgrade the sway bar on both.
Is it the same sway bar for both??
Is it the same sway bar for both??
No it actually looks like it's not when I look at my Honda diagrams. They are a different shape and slightly different mounting location. I haven't done a ton of research into the tl sway bar upgrade, so I'm not sure if the part numbers provided by the two posts are for a TL SH AWD and put onto a 4WD crosstour, and that potentially meaning you can put a regular FWD TL sway bar onto a FWD Crosstour, but either way they are different. More research will be needed, I'll look if I have Acura tl diagrams.
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Is it the same sway bar for both??
I Checked, I have no TL Diagram. But heres a Comparison, 4WD is on the Left with FWD On the Right. The Bar Has a Bend In the Middle Rather than At Each Side, And the Mount is Slightly Farther Back on the frame, So im not Sure. A Quick Search Shows the Second photo below being a 2012 TL AWD OEM Rear Sway Bar being completely Straight, I guess its just the same length, so when replacing the Mounts, it fits fine. So its possible that it may still fit since the new mounts would be able to hold it either way.
Oh and that Bar is on Ebay Used for $120 with everything needed. Might be a really good budget option to get yourself a TL Bar. $120 Free Shipping for used 20mm oem vs $180 For a 21mm Aftermarket or $280 for a 25mm aftermarket.


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I know Bilstein makes good stuff, M539 Restorations on youtube uses them exclusively and he is a very OEM oriented guy. The only thing is finding something from anyone that fits on our cars, or even the regular accord or TL, 8th gen wasn't very popular for mods as much as the other generations or even in general with honda's own lineup.
If Bilstein makes something that fits, it's by accident and they won't tell you which it is. Bilstein.com just says they can't show you anything if you search for any Crosstour or 8th or 9th gen Accord.
If Bilstein makes something that fits, it's by accident and they won't tell you which it is. Bilstein.com just says they can't show you anything if you search for any Crosstour or 8th or 9th gen Accord.
Nothing says it fits the crosstour, you just have to know what fits from the 8th and 9th gen Accord.
If Bilstein makes something that fits, it's by accident and they won't tell you which it is. Bilstein.com just says they can't show you anything if you search for any Crosstour or 8th or 9th gen Accord.
Nothing says it fits the crosstour, you just have to know what fits from the 8th and 9th gen Accord.
1. There are certainly many retailer and manufacturer websites that do list parts for the Crosstour, even if some don't.
2. As stated in my post, Bilstein 's website does not list anything for the Accord either.

So I really have know what you mean here, or what you're getting at.
1. There are certainly many retailer and manufacturer websites that do list parts for the Crosstour, even if some don't.
2. As stated in my post, Bilstein 's website does not list anything for the Accord either.

So I really have know what you mean here, or what you're getting at.
Crosstours specific parts sure. Parts made for the accord that fit the crosstour, extremely rare.
Hey all, I got all the parts for the TL sway bar upgrade and did it earlier today. It went fairly smooth considering Wisconsin winter rust on these little nuts and bolts. (tools and part numbers at the end)
View attachment 10202
On the top is my old sway bar and the bottom is the one that comes on a 2009-14 Acura TL-SHAWD
The stock Crosstour rear sway bar is 15mm wide and the TL's is 20mm as well as being more straight.

To remove the sway bar you have to remove the end links that attach to a bracket that comes off of the knuckle.
View attachment 10203
As well as two other brackets that hold the sway bar with one bushing each. On each side, a bolt runs through to the welded nut from on the top of the rear subframe. These bolts are 12mm and they have a lock washer on the top.
View attachment 10205

In an ideal world without corrosion, these sway bar end link nuts should come out when you put a 5mm Allen into the bolt end and turn the nut with a 14mm. I immediately knew that wouldn't work as the 5mm didn't fit in it and a 4.5mm was too loose. So I busted out the vise grips and held the back side of the link and loosened it with a ratcheting box end wrench and an m18 impact wrench. The one on the driver's side was a little worse, so I ended up having to cut off the little boot and grab the entire joint to hold it as I took it off with the impact, the penetrant I sprayed on it was steaming off by the time it came out.
(If you are replacing the end links you don't have to worry about removing the nut that attaches to the sway bar itself.)
View attachment 10206

Once you remove the end links and the bushing brackets are out the sway bar is loose. Route it out from either side of the car, since its a long bar that isn't flexible you have to fenagle it to come out. If I was able to do so, anyone else can too. I got it parallel with the car and out from between the frame and the exhaust, I think I also went into the spare tire area a little bit so that wiggle room helped.

After you remove the bar you can compare it with the thicker TL bar, see first pic again, and now you can do the reverse of removal. Once the sway bar is in place above the lower control arms on both sides you can attach the bushings to the bar and loosely bolt the bracket in. The bushings themselves are directional and have an arrow pointing to where the front should be. Now that the bar is mostly in its position you can attach the end links to the new bar, they are directional so you can't mix them up. When everything is loosely bolted in, tighten down the bushing brackets and then the end links on the bar side and then the knuckle side (I used good-and-tight as a torque spec here). When the wheels are bolted back on and torqued you can set the car down and roll it back and forth to set the joints and bushings in their place, check to see that the nuts and bolts are all tight at this point and then you're done and should have something that looks like this if you used all new parts.
(note the rightfully upside-down "20.0" on the bushing)
View attachment 10207

After going for a drive the change of feeling while cornering at speed is night and day, this feels so much better and will really show you how sloppy it felt before. It also shows you that stiffening up the rear gives away how bad the front is, and when I inspected everything while I had my engine out everything was solid even at 116k miles. Still makes me want an upgraded front sway bar, but that looks a little more involved, most likely have to drop the subframe for it or sneak it out by magical ways.

Now for the list of stuff.

2010-15 Honda Crosstour Parts:
Left Side End Link - 52325-TP6-A01
Right Side End Link - 52320-TP6-A01
Bushing Bracket x2 - 52308-TA0-A00
Bracket Bolt x4 - 93402-08020-08
Link to Knuckle Nut x2 - 90002-S10-000
Link to Bar Nut x2 - 90212-SA5-003


2009-14 Acura TL Parts:
Sway Bar - 52300-TK5-A02
20mm Bushings x2 - 52306-TK5-A01


You can get all of the parts from one Acura parts place but the only thing to look out for is the "link to knuckle nut", on the parts page for a 2009-14 TL, they use the same nut as the "link to bar nut", so if you do use an Acura distributor just get 4 of the 90212-SA5-003 nuts.

Tools:
Jack
Jack Stands (I couldn't find mine but I trust my Jack)
19mm, for lug nuts
14mm for end links
12mm for bushing brackets
5mm Allen for end links (In an ideal world)
A variety of Vise Grips (For when the Allen hole strips out)
A knife (If you need to take desperate measures)
Impact Wrench
Electric Ratchet
3/8" ratchet
Torque Wrench (for the wheels, or don't, the impact is fine)


Electric tools aren't required but they make it go a lot faster, you can use the tool in your trunk if you don't have anything else for the lug nuts.
You can use an impact with extensions or the box end of a wrench on the end links but that's very tiring.

On the bushing brackets I used an electric ratchet with a deep socket, you can get them out with a regular ratchet and a deep socket or a shallow with an extension, a wrench might be hard to get in there.

If you look closely at the end link in that last picture you might be able to tell that it isn't a Honda nut, that's cause I didn't look close enough at the part pictures and just expected the links to come with nuts, since when would Honda be generous. I got a 4 pack of M10x1.25 flange nuts from O'Reilly's and they worked great.

Some more pictures:
A cool picture I found of the entire frame of a Crosstour, let me know if I should post the full ones, here I color coded the sway bar, brackets, and end links.
View attachment 10208

A zoomed out area of the sway bar from the passenger side, includes the bar itself, bushing bracket, and end link
View attachment 10209

The stock bushings, you can see the "FR <--" mark along with with the "15.0" mark (the bracket and bushings are separate pieces)
View attachment 10210
Hey all, I got all the parts for the TL sway bar upgrade and did it earlier today. It went fairly smooth considering Wisconsin winter rust on these little nuts and bolts. (tools and part numbers at the end)
View attachment 10202
On the top is my old sway bar and the bottom is the one that comes on a 2009-14 Acura TL-SHAWD
The stock Crosstour rear sway bar is 15mm wide and the TL's is 20mm as well as being more straight.

To remove the sway bar you have to remove the end links that attach to a bracket that comes off of the knuckle.
View attachment 10203
As well as two other brackets that hold the sway bar with one bushing each. On each side, a bolt runs through to the welded nut from on the top of the rear subframe. These bolts are 12mm and they have a lock washer on the top.
View attachment 10205

In an ideal world without corrosion, these sway bar end link nuts should come out when you put a 5mm Allen into the bolt end and turn the nut with a 14mm. I immediately knew that wouldn't work as the 5mm didn't fit in it and a 4.5mm was too loose. So I busted out the vise grips and held the back side of the link and loosened it with a ratcheting box end wrench and an m18 impact wrench. The one on the driver's side was a little worse, so I ended up having to cut off the little boot and grab the entire joint to hold it as I took it off with the impact, the penetrant I sprayed on it was steaming off by the time it came out.
(If you are replacing the end links you don't have to worry about removing the nut that attaches to the sway bar itself.)
View attachment 10206

Once you remove the end links and the bushing brackets are out the sway bar is loose. Route it out from either side of the car, since its a long bar that isn't flexible you have to fenagle it to come out. If I was able to do so, anyone else can too. I got it parallel with the car and out from between the frame and the exhaust, I think I also went into the spare tire area a little bit so that wiggle room helped.

After you remove the bar you can compare it with the thicker TL bar, see first pic again, and now you can do the reverse of removal. Once the sway bar is in place above the lower control arms on both sides you can attach the bushings to the bar and loosely bolt the bracket in. The bushings themselves are directional and have an arrow pointing to where the front should be. Now that the bar is mostly in its position you can attach the end links to the new bar, they are directional so you can't mix them up. When everything is loosely bolted in, tighten down the bushing brackets and then the end links on the bar side and then the knuckle side (I used good-and-tight as a torque spec here). When the wheels are bolted back on and torqued you can set the car down and roll it back and forth to set the joints and bushings in their place, check to see that the nuts and bolts are all tight at this point and then you're done and should have something that looks like this if you used all new parts.
(note the rightfully upside-down "20.0" on the bushing)
View attachment 10207

After going for a drive the change of feeling while cornering at speed is night and day, this feels so much better and will really show you how sloppy it felt before. It also shows you that stiffening up the rear gives away how bad the front is, and when I inspected everything while I had my engine out everything was solid even at 116k miles. Still makes me want an upgraded front sway bar, but that looks a little more involved, most likely have to drop the subframe for it or sneak it out by magical ways.

Now for the list of stuff.

2010-15 Honda Crosstour Parts:
Left Side End Link - 52325-TP6-A01
Right Side End Link - 52320-TP6-A01
Bushing Bracket x2 - 52308-TA0-A00
Bracket Bolt x4 - 93402-08020-08
Link to Knuckle Nut x2 - 90002-S10-000
Link to Bar Nut x2 - 90212-SA5-003


2009-14 Acura TL Parts:
Sway Bar - 52300-TK5-A02
20mm Bushings x2 - 52306-TK5-A01


You can get all of the parts from one Acura parts place but the only thing to look out for is the "link to knuckle nut", on the parts page for a 2009-14 TL, they use the same nut as the "link to bar nut", so if you do use an Acura distributor just get 4 of the 90212-SA5-003 nuts.

Tools:
Jack
Jack Stands (I couldn't find mine but I trust my Jack)
19mm, for lug nuts
14mm for end links
12mm for bushing brackets
5mm Allen for end links (In an ideal world)
A variety of Vise Grips (For when the Allen hole strips out)
A knife (If you need to take desperate measures)
Impact Wrench
Electric Ratchet
3/8" ratchet
Torque Wrench (for the wheels, or don't, the impact is fine)


Electric tools aren't required but they make it go a lot faster, you can use the tool in your trunk if you don't have anything else for the lug nuts.
You can use an impact with extensions or the box end of a wrench on the end links but that's very tiring.

On the bushing brackets I used an electric ratchet with a deep socket, you can get them out with a regular ratchet and a deep socket or a shallow with an extension, a wrench might be hard to get in there.

If you look closely at the end link in that last picture you might be able to tell that it isn't a Honda nut, that's cause I didn't look close enough at the part pictures and just expected the links to come with nuts, since when would Honda be generous. I got a 4 pack of M10x1.25 flange nuts from O'Reilly's and they worked great.

Some more pictures:
A cool picture I found of the entire frame of a Crosstour, let me know if I should post the full ones, here I color coded the sway bar, brackets, and end links.
View attachment 10208

A zoomed out area of the sway bar from the passenger side, includes the bar itself, bushing bracket, and end link
View attachment 10209

The stock bushings, you can see the "FR <--" mark along with with the "15.0" mark (the bracket and bushings are separate pieces)
View attachment 10210
Outstanding write up with pictures!! I'm not sure what my 2012 CT needs for a more shutterless ride, but it sounds like this may be the issue. Maybe just struts. I guess I'll take it in soon to see what a Honda mechanic suggests. Thanks a million everybody!! I love this Crosstour Club!!
I don't think anyone did it for $60 but about $150 probably. Like I said the OEM parts are over priced now which is why it cost you $300, it's like $180 to get a 21 mm aftermarket bar which will perfectly replace the OEM 20 mm bar. If you want to go even harder you can get the 25 mm bar for like $280. I still can't decide which one I should get.
I'm not sure what my 2012 CT needs for a more shutterless ride, but it sounds like this may be the issue.
This is a mod, not a repair. A CT with stock parts should already be very smooth.

The primary benefit of this mod is to reduce understeer. In particular, the rear end should be more willing to whip around and follow the front of the car. Should also help a tad with body roll, I think.

You should probably repair whatever is causing shudder before worrying about upgrades. Unless you were doing some nasty off-roading, the chance the shudder is from a bad rear sway bar is pretty low. While something like, for example, a bad bushing is super common.
This is a mod, not a repair. A CT with stock parts should already be very smooth.

The primary benefit of this mod is to reduce understeer. In particular, the rear end should be more willing to whip around and follow the front of the car. Should also help a tad with body roll, I think.

You should probably repair whatever is causing shudder before worrying about upgrades. Unless you were doing some nasty off-roading, the chance the shudder is from a bad rear sway bar is pretty low. While something like, for example, a bad bushing is super common.
Thanks for that very helpful information!!
After going for a drive the change of feeling while cornering at speed is night and day, this feels so much better and will really show you how sloppy it felt before. It also shows you that stiffening up the rear gives away how bad the front is, and when I inspected everything while I had my engine out everything was solid even at 116k miles. Still makes me want an upgraded front sway bar, but that looks a little more involved, most likely have to drop the subframe for it or sneak it out by magical ways.
In what way do you find the front to be "bad" after the mod?

I've been reading up a bit on how sway bars work. And I have a hypothesis that even further reducing the size of the already relatively small front sway bar might actually lead to an improvement by (like stiffening the rear does) pushing even more of the lateral load transfer toward the rear of the car.

A lot of the Accord owners who tried going the other direction, with a stiffer front bar, seem to complain that it still fails to bring body roll under control. So there's no reason to expect some panacea there.

The Crosstour has more weight in the back, far from the steering, than an Accord. Seems like the more we can successfully shift suspension and steering control toward the back of the car, the closer we would get to balance.

Or maybe, even assuming my theory is any good, it would only apply to FWD i4s (like mine)?, where the rear weight discussed is also far from the drive axle and the smaller engine results in reduced front weight.

IDK
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Been working on it today, I'll finish tomorrow. The end link bolts have been a pain to get off, the Allen wrench only partially worked, and now I'm onto vice grips due to the threads being so dirty. I'm going from my factory 14mm bar to a tl 3.7 20mm bar.
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